360 DIGITAL ASSET CAPTURE MEETING 19-03-2025
GEORGE STEVENSON I just wanted to put some context in this before I hand over to Barry. (shares screen). One of the big challenges that we’re trying to deal with within BIM In Asset Management is actually answer the question for landlords and FMs, how complete and reliable is my asset information? And even if it’s perfect at a point in time, how easy is it to keep up-to-date? Because that’s the big problem. And we’re now in very much a changed environment. We’ve got huge numbers of regulations going on, we’ve got the Building Safety Act, the Fire Safety Act, Defective Act and we’ve got pressure coming through on ESG as well. And all of those need digital records.
In particular, there are things that are statutory, like the fire safety side of things. And the work that we’ve been finding is that in most cases, although they’re supposed to be an as-built plan of the building identifying where all these key assets are, we’re finding that that just isn’t being provided on a regular basis. Now, that’s particularly important now with the legislation that came in 18 months ago now, where the landlord or the responsible person has to sign a confirmation that they’ve received all of the information that they need to keep the building safe. And that’s a big commitment. And also they supply chain has also got to sign to say that they’ve provided all of the information. And also that they’re got a document to say that it’s been received.
So, I think that we’re moving towards a situation where asset managers can feel they will be able to feel more confident that the information that they’re being provided is more complete. Because the industry, certainly in terms of not just construction but also new fit outs and things like that, have got to do that. And these are the key asset types that are incorporated, clearly there is a lot more than that from an asset management point of view. But if you’re do don’t where the fire dampers are then that’s a pretty red flag, as it were.So, our community, although it’s known as BIM, our interpretation of that is better information management. It’s not just about 3D, in fact it may not be 3D at all
And the work that we’ve been doing over the last 3 or 4 years has been really to encourage teams to come together, both in person like this event here, or virtually. And we’ve run over 200 workshops to define what information is needed. And that fed into the guidance that the government has produced, the Construction Leadership Council. And the important thing there is that it’s not just about managing individual assets, it’s looking at the building as a whole. And I think what Barry is going to show is a mechanism for us to consider the building as a whole, rather than the bits and pieces that are being collected individually. And also it’s a matter of creating scenarios, which again I think what Barry is going to show will enable us to support that.
So, in this particular case we’ve got a fire breaks out in a kitchen. There’s a number of measures that are put in place to protect against smoke spreading and affecting people. But all of those things need to perform 100%, or actually you could argue there is no point in all of the fire doors being perfect if the penetration seals haven’t been checked properly. So, we need to look at things in a more holistic way and also to look at things like smoke control, detection systems, and also signage. The key thing is that these things need to be looked at in a joined up way. And also, we talk about the Golden Thread, the important thing here is to actually look at what that asset is doing, what space is it protecting.
And also then how will that then be validated, maybe using various different software applications that can be overlaid with each other. So again, it’s a matter of tying these things together. In terms of doing that, what we’re trying to do is encourage the group, this is the digital asset capture pilot, to come together and work as teams. So, in this particular case we’ve got Paul Womack there, who is a former fire fighter, he works for Metropolitan. And he’s been using the 360 cameras. This is Salt Wilmington from down on the South Coast, he’s been doing the same. And what we’ve now got is Origin Housing are now onboard with it. And Paul joined up with Ed Coster yesterday to actually show him how to use the 360s to be able to move this forward.
So, what we’re trying to do within this group is encourage you to embrace the idea of taking 360 photos. And also work together and help each other because I think that type of ethos of collaboration is going to be particularly important. The other thing is looking at why that is useful. So, for example, the principal driver that we’ve been following is how can we use 360s to capture asset data. Because the 360s themselves are great, but they’re dumb unless you’re using them. So, let’s use them for asset data capture, was our main driver. But what we found, when people have been starting using it they found that they can use it for asset validation. It’s that actually there, if they’ve already had a schedule of what should have been installed, actually has it been installed?
But the thing that’s been a bit of a revelation is evidence. So, Paul Womack, for example, he’s used it to record the cause and effect on smoke vents. Are they working, are they not? And that type of thing and also looking at escape routes. So, what I’d like to be doing, after Barry has run through his session, is actually get people to come up with ways in which they think this could be useful. So, very much a collaborative effort here, if we can I’d like you to, if you want to follow through on this and actually start using it we’ve got a couple of cameras that we can loan out to get you underway. Obviously, that would then get you on the journey. And we’d like you to agree to buddy up, just like Paul and Ed have done, to share experiences because I think that type of teamwork is going to be very helpful.
Just one final thing is looking at this, the digital asset capture is just one part of what we’re trying to do within BIM In Asset Management. We’ve also got a Golden Thread group which is going to draw quite heavily on what we do today. The Golden Thread group, that’s meeting on the 2nd of April and if you’re interested in participating drop your name in that chat so that we can make sure that you don’t miss that one. We’ve also another one for digital handover which is the following day on the 3rd.So, if you’re interested in digital handover, which again will feed off what we’re doing here today, then put digital handover in the chat.
BARRY BASSNETT (shares screen). This is my thing, I do 360 imagery, amongst other things to do with that, and I’ve been doing it for a while. I’ve two things that I do, one, I go out and do it, but also I teach people how to do it. So, what you’re seeing is a condensed 40 minute version of what normally takes me a lot longer, if you want to become an expert in it that is. But the whole point of what we’re trying to do here is show how you can gather information very quickly with a low skill level, with off the shelf kit which isn’t going to kill your budget or give your accountant or CFO a heart attack. This idea we’ve got of democratisation, I’m not awful sure I like that term because normally that means we’re just going to standardise on my format.
But basically what we’re trying to do here is give the ability to capture any asset at any time with the minimum amount of skill or training. So, I’m going to be showing you a few ideas about it. 360 imagery is part of a bigger section of what I cal spatial imagery which involves geotagged imagery, where in the world they were taking that photograph. Also, it’s applications in photogrammetry converting imagery into 3D and then inspection photograph and 360. And we’re just going to be talking about 360 imagery for this particular session. But all of them have one thing in common, what they’re really there to do, and this is fundamental to everything, is they are recoding change. They’re recording things as they are and then to be able to do it later on. And this for asset management is what happens, you paint a door or you replace something, things change during the life of an asset.
So, essentially what we’re using is cameras and spatial imagery for recording change. And we’re going to be talking about one particular aspect of this now which is 360 imagery. So 360 imagery, what are they? Basically, you’ve all seen Google Street View, imagine Google Street View on steroids/cocaine. I prefer to call them smart 360s as you’ll see later on because we can actually use them and tag information to them, but the first thing we’ve got to figure out is how do we capture them? What sort of kit do we need? And then how do we share them? So, 360 imagery is basically a spherical panorama and they capture a 360 image of wherever you take the photograph. This is great in itself because it gives you full coverage, providing you take enough photographs.
And it’s also the way we navigate around the world, so you will find with just the imagery later on turn it into VR experiences and things like that, but let’s just stick to the basics to start off with. Panoramic imagery is basically part of a 360, you don’t necessarily have to have all 360. There is no point me taking a 360 image if it’s just the sky and clouds, or branches of a tree. So we can actually make them segment into panoramics as well. And the applications for them, you’ve seen them all over the place. If you go onto Air BnB, if you’re on a real estate site, they have these virtual tours. And basically that’s where a lot of the technology has come from, but we’re going to use it for something much more interesting for us, inspection and asset management. And we’re going to be capturing the data for that.
The first thing we need to think though is what do we want to use them for? So, do we need to get dimensional accuracy, do we need that for our work? In many cases yes, we do, but in an awful lot, no we don’t. We just need to see that that sprinkler system is in that hallway, we don’t need to know where it is to a centimetre. The second thing is what coordinates system do we need to work in? And have we got an existing coordinates system? Where in the world are these 360 photographs taking place? Are we working to a coordinate system, to a Revit system, to ordinance survey coordinates? Or are we looking at different rooms and spaces? Because a lot of people now are organising their assets by rooms and spaces.
The other thing we need to think about is do we need to share the information? It is just for you, or do you want to share it collaboratively with lots of people? And then, critically for me, is do you need to add or mange the information associated with these 360s? Is it a realtime dynamic system? In other words, can we update it? Can we show things in a period of time? Can we say this is what it was like in August and this is what it was like in November? This is what it was like before we instructed somebody to fix it and this is what happened afterwards. And there’s evidence of work or condition, or whatever it might be. The other thing that’s becoming more interesting is do you need this system to be portable? Can i actually take it onsite and use it for documentation?
We’ll show you some examples of that maybe later on, but they’ll probably be more sessions as we ho through about how do we use this in action. And then the other thing is who is going to use them? Is it just one application? Is it just the fire people? Or is it the asbestos surveyors? How many different skills and workflows are you going to need? Now, you’ll see why this is important later on because it also influences the type of camera and what you’re going to use it for and how you’re going to do it. But there’s two things, there’s no point taking 360 photographs if you can’t find where they are in space. If you’re taking lots of photographs of a high-rise building on 20 floors, you have to know where the photograph was taken.
So the critical question for me is do you have existing plans? Do you have something that you can use so you can locate them? And, more importantly, can you trust them? Are they up-to-date? Because what you can do with these 360s is validate the existing equipment that you’ve got. So, what are 360s? Well, actually they’re just a single image, but they may by combining a number of images and stitched together. And the benefits are they allow for quick assessment, you can use it for all sorts of things. You can do it remotely, you can view it, you can visit a plant or a building from anywhere you happen to be. They require a low skill data capture, you don’t need any survey skills to update them. Which is probably the crucial reason why they’re so important.
That’s not to say that you’re not going to need surveyors from time to time to coordinate things and to tie things into coordinate systems, or where you’ve got no existing drawings. There are some limitations to them, some limitations perspective is you get a bit of distortion with them sometimes, which can be a bit disconcerting, but once you’re into it it’s not a big deal. The big issue that we’ve got is with sunlight. We’re going to come across and explain a bit more about that. Although it’s a problem, it can be overcome so don’t be scared of it. But you’ve all seen sunlight, the problem with the 360 image is if I’m joining images together in a globe, I may well be shooting directly into the sun. And we all know if we’ve done any photography that’s a big no no.
But if we’re doing 360 how do we cope with that situation? The brights and the darks and the shadows. There are some things that they’re brilliant for: buildings, corridors, walls. But if you try to use it in some places, we just tried using one particular camera in a paper mill and it was just a disaster. We have to leave it and use a different sort of camera and 360 technique because there was so much shiny chrome or stainless steel, a lot of sunlight, it was just a bit of a mess. So, there are different cameras for different jobs, depending on what it is that you want to do. And what are the applications that you can use it for? As George has mentioned, he’s just picked on three, there’s the fire, Martin’s Law for emergency response planning for public buildings coming through.
Asbestos surveying, asset management, dilapidation condition, commercial agreements, putting it into tenders. But basically one of the things we’re looking for is just looking at change what’s changed. That’s the thing that I always focus on is how can I make sure that I’m monitoring the change adequately? So, a bit of basics about 360. Basically what it does and how it works is you take a camera and then you stitch a number of images together to produce a 360 image. The number of images that we have to do depends on what we call the field of view, or the angle. And there’s three sort of types of lenses that we use: a fisheye lens, and that’s stitching anything from 2 to 6 images together; wide angle lenses and standard lenses.
All of them work in exactly the same way, they use a thing called a SIFT algorithm to stitch things together. And the good thing is that there’s lots of lovely softwares out there to make it easy for us. Even better news is there’s software as a service services which will stitch them all together for us as well. But depending on the lens we’re using we get a different type of quality, as you’ll see later on, I’ve got some pictures of a cathedral that i’m going to show to you. The other thing we need to talk about briefly is what we call HDRI and this is to do with the sunlight thing I was mentioning before.The problem that you’ve got with 360 is you’re trying to combine things where every image will require a different exposure. So, how do you deal with that? Basically what we can do is take multiple exposures and cover the sunshine, recover the detail from over exposure with sun shining in through the window or outside. And see stuff in the shadows, above the suspended ceiling. How do we do that?
We use a process called HDRI, suffice to say it is fixable, we can cope with it, any light that you can, if you have the right camera and the right tools. And the right set of skills to do it. Having said that, this isn’t really complicated, I can teach anybody to do this in an hour or so. And the HDRI workflow, I’m not going to go too much into that, but what we do is we capture bracketed exposures and then we stitch them all together and then we stitch all of the three together. What that means is we can see detail in shadows, we can see detail in highlighted areas, and so it’s great for things like inspection and processes like that. The other thing to say is that the cameras we can use can use two types of approach. We can either use static images, or we can use as 360 or 360 video.
Basically, 360 video is a one camera system with two lenses and you walk along with it on a stick or on your hat and it captures a 360 video. What we can do is extract single frames out of that and we can also extract 3D data out of them. Or we can use static imagery. Static imagery is what we’d have to do if we’ve got sunshine, bright sunshine in video is just not going to work with bright sun streaming in through the window. But it can work quite effectively. And the other thing that we may want to use is if we want to do some high resolution structural inspection imagery, we can get down to very, very fine tolerances of less than a millimetre per pixel. So, we can look at and we can use exactly the same technology…
RICHARD FREER Barry, there is an awful lot of information here, do you think it might make sense several times during this presentation to actually ask if everybody is understanding it? Has anybody got any questions on what Barry has said already?
MARK PILE I’m probably going to be unpopular asking the question. I’m looking at this from a holistic view of asset management and asset management data and information systems. And I’m looking at it from a view from the Institute of Asset Management that refers to an integrated enterprise asset management system. My understanding right now is that this forms a small function or a function within the integrated asset management system.
And from the information that you’ve highlighted it probably sits around about the geographical information and topographical systems. And potentially where it fits into collecting data which you would probably add to Mobius and that then feeds into your CD common data environment which would be sort of glider BIM in the MOP/MOB? 25mins 45secs. So, am I right in saying that this is not an overarching enterprise asset management system, it’s just a small piece of that. Am I right in saying that, Barry?
BARRY BASSNETT It could be fundamental to that system in terms of how do you visually represent and do things. But that’s probably a longer conversation, I’m trying to focus on the technology to gather data.
PIERRE VENTER I made a comment in the chat about democratisation in getting the communication clear. Now, the effort that you’re putting in, Barry, every one of those efforts contributes to the broader team i.e. the team of the project. Particularly by standards and integration and making sure that deliverables are defined. So, the work that you’re doing here, one of the important parts should be that at the end we’ve got a resource that can be utilised by many different parties, contributed to in future and doing all of those sort of comments that you said about…
BARRY BASSNETT So, there are different categories of camera that we can use for different applications, depending on what it is that we want to do. And that comes back to the first question, what do we want to use it for? Are we using it just for one particular task to evaluate fire safety? Or do we want to use it for dilapidation surveys and monitoring changes or time? Do we want to use it for asset identification or linking to an ERP system like SharePoint or whatever? Because it’s entirely what we can do with 360 imagery. So, this is just to show one particular example of how we can communicate. So, the other thing to factor into this is 360 imagery is primarily a 2D thing. 2D is a great way of sharing information, you can look at these images in your standard Microsoft browsers or whatever.
However, what we can do is if you use the right technique, then you can convert this 360 imagery into 3D data, you can turn it into a 3D model. And that can be very, very useful of you want to produce dimensionally accurate asset information too. What is photogrammetry? Basically it’s a way that we can use 2d images to convert into a 3D. And one of the advantages of using 360 imagery for photogrammetry is it means you can do it with a lot less skilled people than previously you might have needed to. There are some challenges with it, the major one is training to process the imagery. But just to say that although we’re using 360 imagery, we can extract from that 3D data as well.
DAMIANA ONIPEDE So, regarding capturing the 2d imagery, for example, and converting that to 3D imagery, are you able to use a mobile phone in order to do that? So, for example, where you have services where you’ve got frontline workers which maybe a caretaker that might be updating something to do with a building, would you be able to take pictures on a phone and then convert that?
BARRY BASSNETT Yes, you can. One of the beauties of mobile phones, especially a thing called the AR kit which that’s Apple and on some Google phones, is you can produce a 3D model and 360 imagery of pretty well anything that you like. And we’ll cover mobile phones in the list of kit that you can use. But you can do an awful lot with your mobile phone, you don’t need to invest in a 360 camera, it’s just whether you want your employees to use their own kit for doing things and then who owns the imagery. It becomes more of a copyright issue and a data processing and governance issue if you allow people to use their own mobile phones.
But you absolutely can, I use it all of the time to infill other examples, as you’ll see later on. Your question is a really good question because the whole point of this democratisation, basically allowing anybody to take information and then use it in a standard portal that everybody can see is what really we’re trying to do and I’ll show you how you can actually do that. The good thing as well is there are things like software as a service photogrammetry and Tours software now. You might have heard of things called Cupix, Dallux and Matterport. What they allow you do to is take your photographs, upload them and they will produce a 3D model or a Tour and the database for you. They’re all really good, however there’s two or three big issues with them.
The first thing is if you start taking photographs with a Matterport camera they’re lovely, but you essentially become an employee of Matterport because they own the copyright of the images. Cupi and Dallux are great and they’re use primarily in the construction and documentation phase now, to document construction sites. Both of those are really interesting, but they’re subscription services and sometimes you may not want those. But just to say you don’t have to think about processing the imagery yourself, you can subscribe to these services. So, how can we capture 360 imagery? Well, my mum can do it, I’ve got a video of her doing it and she’s 86. And my niece, who is 2, has been able to do it. So, this is not hugely complicated technology.
And the good thing is we’ve had a whole series of camera technology coming through in the last 10-15 years which have made it even easier. But just to say, we can divide it up into a number of different areas. So, we can use dedicated 360 cameras. These are what we call prosumer grade, originally they were designed for putting on a skateboard or a set of skis and showing a 360. But people have used them and are now using them for a lot more sophisticated and professional applications. Then we’ve got the DSLR or the mirrorless standard cameras, where we mount them on a panoramic head which produces a much higher quality product. And then you’ve got apps in your smartphone.
These make it convenient, but they’re limited in the quality and also limited in the amount of images you can handle without taking a phone call and stuff. But there’s nothing to say that you couldn’t use your peoples smartphones to do this. Then you’ve also got drones which are great for doing aerial 360s and they can give you a different view for roofs or spaces or open spaces. And then you’ve got tools that are almost all of these will also allow you to do 360 video as well. So, a dedicated 360 camera will allow you to do 360 video. The DSLR, most of those will allow you to do video. Smartphone apps, certainly, and the drones, certainly they’ll do that. So, there’s a whole series and I’m just going through some examples of them.
So, mostly the dedicated 360 cameras are the ones that are probably the easiest to deploy. They range in price from a couple of hundred pounds to…so, there are dedicated 360 cameras and they allow you to make it a really simple workflow. You’re not confusing people with uploading images from their private phone or work mobile phone. And this particular one, the Insta360, they come in different sizes and different shapes. But basically it’s two cameras, one looking one way and looking the other way, and you’re stitching two images together, or two video feeds together. They fit on your hand, they’ve got touchscreens, they’re really straightforward to operate. If you can use a mobile phone, you can use one of these. It's not hard, you can show people in about 10 minutes how to work them.
There’s all sorts of different sizes, this is the one inch version which has a lovely screen on it so that you can see what you’re doing. And they’re used in one of two ways. They’re used on a pole or a tripod, which is if you’re going to do HDR or static imagery it’s a really good way of doing it. Or you can actually put them on top of your top crash hat and just walk around with them. You can make it as simple or as complicated as you like. What you get is around about 10-20 minutes of walking around, if you’ve got it on your hat. Then you’ll have to take out the SD card and transfer it into something, so you’ve got the images and stuff. But it’s a really simple technology and anyone can use it.
Then we move on to the more sophisticated cameras, the dedicated ones which are motorised and producer 360s, like the Matterports of the world. These start getting up in price and although they’re really great pieces of kit because they use software as a service go process all of the imagery, then you’ve always got to subscribe to a service. And then you add subscriptions per month and if you’ve got lots of assets you suddenly find that you’ve got a massive bill. So, you have a couple of different Matterports and then there’s the Chinese, this is the Real C Gowah?, a Matterport competitor, there are many of them out there now. And then you’ve got other ones like the Giraffe as well. All of these really came from the property real estate business doing visualisations of houses that are for sale.
Are they suitable for 360 asset management? Personally, I don’t think so. I think it’s much easier to use a camera like this which is more flexible and quicker. Or my choice is I use a standard camera on a bracket and you’ll see why in a second. I prefer having a camera because my area of experience is in documenting heritage or very fine detail, so I need to have a dedicated camera. But that’s to say that your mobile phone or a standard 360 camera can’t do a very, very good job in most circumstances, with a limited amount of training. But that leads itself to we’ve got all of these photographs, now what are we going to do with them? How do we share them? How do we look at them? How do we combine them? How do we make use of them?
Because it’s a bit like, the analogy I use is 360 imagery is very much like having an atlas on your coffee table. it looks very pretty, but unless I’ve got an index at the back how do I use it? And the point of it is, is to try and use it and share it in as many different ways as we can. So, to do that there are three or four different things that we can use it for. If we just wanted to visualise things and just have a look we can use a standard 3D viewing platform. There’s many of these around, it’s just a 3D viewer where you just want to look and see what’s there. There’s things like Kuula, 3DVista, PanoVR, you can even download them and put them into Google Street View if you want to. So, if you’ve got Google Street View and you want to embed internal 360s of your building, your hospital or your school, then you could actually put them into Google Street View.
You can also them embed them into your own websites or blogs or social media as well, but then these aren’t really 360 visualisation platforms. but then if we want to do more with that, if we want to turn them into smart 360s, then we’ve got different types of platform that we can use, we can tag information. Site documentation, many of you will have seen things like Cupix, Dallux, where you can upload your information and then share it across the site to show people what’s been bought. And look at 4G, combine it with BIM, looking at where there’s variations in the build and stuff like that. But then there’s other softwares like OpenDoor.So, in the construction phase you’ve got companies like Cupix, Dallux, OpenDoor.
But then there’s other things as well like ISite, or there’s a new software called Soarvo which allows you to merge not just 360 imagery, but your drone imagery, you’re point clouds, all of the things in other places. But then you move on to another generation of viewer which is looking at using 360s for asset management where you’re linking the visualisation to a sequel or other database. So then you can start to tag things on later, as you will. All of them are going to require something like this, my friend Paul Collier at Survey Works has given me this. And this is basically a way of navigating in a simple way to show where the 360s are. It’s a simple graphic representation you can put on a website, or you could use George’s Active Plan or anything.
But basically, if you’ve got a drawing, you may well have one or you will get someone link Survey Works to commission it and do a measured building survey if you don’t have them. But all of the different coloured dots are 360 imagery. The green ones are ones on the outside, the orange ones are ones in the inside and you can colour code them depending on the floors, take sections and things like that. They work really well if you’ve got some sort of graphic representation, so you can navigate round it. I’ve got lots of examples, if you want to send me an email I can send you links to them, or go on my website and have a look at different types. But essentially you’re going to need some form of plan at some point for either it’s existing, or a survey company have done for you.
Now, the level of accuracy that you need depends on what you want to use it for. But what I want to do is just show you finally an example of what 360 imagery can do. This is an example of a 360 image, this is Westminster Cathedral, it’s a job that I’m doing, documenting the whole of this thing for asset and defamation and documenting the artwork on it. And if I zoom in you can see the level of detail that we can get. But this is actually using a dedicated mirrorless Sony camera which allows me to zoom in to incredible detail. Now, I’m not saying that you’re going to get this from your Insta360 or your Ricoh Theta, but I just wanted to show you the difference.
One reason I wanted to show this is if I went in and you looked up at this dome here you’d not be able to see that because it would be pitch black. But by using HSRI we can’t actually zoom in into the shadows, we can see highlights coming in through the windows, all sorts of different things. I’ll show you one of my favourite ones, just to show you the level of detail that you can get. This is the Vaughan Sanctuary, a small little chapel that we’ve done a 360 image on. If you look here, there’s 125 different types of marble in this cathedral, but the mason here has done an amazing thing because this is the sarcophagus of Archbishop Vaughan. But some of the things that you can see with 360, if you look at this shape here it mirrors the sarcophagus.
The thing about this is to show you the level of detail you can get out of 360s, these walls are all decorated with these small mosaic tiles. They’re smaller than my little finger nail, but all joined together. This is an example of the level of quality that you can get from 8360 imagery. You don’t have to do this, this took about 5 minutes or less for me to actually take in this case 18 images all joined together to produce one seamless view that you can navigate round. But if I was using this for inspection, or if I wanted to share this with anyone or if I wanted to allow people to be there from anywhere, I can just send them this image and they can view it on their web browser. Generally speaking, we’re going to be using probably a camera like this one here.
The Insta360 is going to be perfectly adequate for what you want to do in terms of collecting 360 imagery. Mount it on your head or put it on a pole, or walk around with it. It’s really simple and doesn’t take very long for anybody to be able to capture the data that can be populated. If anybody wants to know more about 360, this is just a brief introduction. I’ve got lots more training courses and materials and I’ happy to share anything I know and collaborate with people. If you want to just drop me a line at barry@therichpixel.com.
RICHARD FREER A lot of people have been asking in the chat, how does it link to the asset database?
BARRY BASSNETT I will link that over to George because he’s going to show you.
RICHARD FREER And there are two people with their hands up for questions.
JACK HAYES I’m just wondering, have you been looking at the new generation of cheaper Chinese mobile Lidar scanners for asset capture?
BARRY BASSNETT Yes, I have, they are remarkable pieces of kit. They’re normally a combination of a Lidar and a 360 camera. The issue with them is you’re still going to have to take those point clouds and convert them into a 3D model. And the other problem that you’ve got is they’re not very good at coping with bright sunshine if you want to use asset information. However, there are plenty of people using them now. I know, for example, one company in the States who placed an order for a hundred. They do refrigeration and they’re using it for modelling the air-conditioning ad refrigeration plants in supermarkets. This would be done by a surveyor, but what they’re saying now is they don’t necessarily need to surveyor to do it. It’s adequate enough for what they want in a localised accuracy.
But generally, yes, there are. You’re looking at kits that cost from £5-10,000, but the issue is it’s what do you do with that data once you’ve got it? There are some services which will produce a 3D model for you, but then again it’s quite often they want you into their ecosystem, so you can only view it on their platform. So, there are pros and coms with them and definitely this democratisation, you can do an awful lot with your mobile phone, to be honest.
JACK HAYES Do you have any recommendation on a specific model for those handheld lighters?
BARRY BASSNETT Yeah, but probably offline, if you want to drop me a line there’s 3 or 4 of them that I would suggest you look at. But these are rapidly becoming more and more prevalent in the market place as the Chinese figure it out.
GEORGE STEVENSON (shares screen). This is picking up on what Mark Pile was talking about earlier. And actually the issue is that what you’ve typically got, you might have, even on a new build or an existing building, a BIM model, you’ve probably got some CAD data. Hopefully you might have some asset data that’s been generated through the delivery process. In many cases people at the starting point, it’s just O&Ms. In many cases what we at Active Plan do is we take whatever is available and we correct spatial models from that which is what Barry was talking about earlier. And the 360 photographs, we’re now seeing (and we’ve been doing this for 3 or 4 years) this is basically pulling it together.
But the problem is they are typically disconnected information sets. So, what you end up with is then people trying to figure out where was that 360 photo taken from, what’s its relevance, what’s the asset data that it relates to? So, you end up with a huge amount of manual check9ing to try and glue it all together. So, what we’re doing is we’re basically removing those silos and integrating them. So, our platform, we work with lots of other software applications, so we’re pulling this all together. So, the important thing is initially in some way getting the asset data into a database which we can then reference to the 350 photos. So, it may be that that information may be coming from models, if those particular assets have been modelled.
More likely, a lot of the detailed information might come in from spreadsheets and technical submittals and schedules, and also the 360 photographs. So, we’ve got a combination of ways that the information can come together and be federated into a proper asset database. And the important thing is that 360 photographs are much easier for asset teams to manage. So, if a change takes place, rather than them having to figure out how they would edit Revit models to update that, all we’v got to do is just take a new 360 photo and then relate the new asset data to that. So, this is an example, Sodexo have been using this process for about 4 years. And they’ve done 10,000 spaces, over 100,000 assets, and they just walk through.
Basically, they send somebody to site, it doesn’t have to be a subject matter expert, the experts are back in the office. So, they’re using digital asset capture to tag the 360s that Barry has just shown you collecting, but they’re tagging them to a proper asset database. So here, for example, we’ve got a spatial model and we’re then going to that space and we can actually see which assets have been added to it. So, these have all been added from Sodexo’s master asset library which in turn is tied back to all of their maintenance information. So, the tagging in this plant room, what people have always said is that if you send a mechanical engineer and an electrical engineer and maybe a controls engineer into a plant room, they’ll all come back with a different list of assets.
And the 360 allows you to see what they were looking at when they made those collections. And also, it can automatically connect back to SFG20 and the maintenance information. So, that’s really the connection between the 360 and the asset data, but what this is allowing us to do is to train the next generation of subject matter experts. Because, quite frankly, that’s a real driver now for a lot of organisations. So you might have an expert in mechanical and electrical and controls, all looking at that same 360 photo and tagging it with the information that they see and interpret from it. But that can be used to train people, but we’re also using it to train AI. So, one of the things that we’ve been doing at Active Plan is working on object recognition.
We’re using the recording of what the person was looking at when they made that selection, to actually inform a large language model. So that it then will prompt people to be able to bring together what’s needed. Here’s an example of a project, this has been done with OpenSpace, where the 360s were being captured anyway for construction purposes. So, all that we’re doing is we’ve integrated with that and we can download the 360s. This was produced by the construction team, but it’s fantastic from an asset management point of view because we can go back and see what was above that ceiling, and then bring that into Active Plan. Down on the right hand side there you’ve got the list of assets that should be in that space.
And the user then is able to just go and tag the assets that they can see and it counts them off from the list of assets that have been provided. So, it becomes a verification exercise. Also, things like fire dampers, if you want to find where the fire dampers are it’s not always easy to see it in the 3D model because fire dampers are often in walls. Here we’ve got a connection back to the manufacturer’s data for that particular fire damper. We can also hold against it all of the documentation, but we can provide the asset team with a very simple view of where that fire damper is. And by doing that it means that you’ve got a way of clicking on that and it takes you to the 360 view that was captured in OpenSpace, or any application, to be able to do that. So, it means that we’ve got a proper connection.
The 360 is very much becoming part of the Golden Thread and we’re not reliant on whether the fire dampers were modelled or not. Because we can actually identify where they are, or an expert can identify where they are. It might be that it requires a surveyor to go and check, or the maintenance engineers to check where they are. But once they’ve been identified then we’ve got them. And then moving on from that, what we’ve got here is an example of something to support a building safety case where the individual assets are intelligent assets in the floor plan. These have come through from the information that’s in the premises information box. But the 360s are then against that space and each of the key assets has been tagged which makes it a lot easier for a whole range of people. For residents to understand what’s in there and also to be able to look at this from a point of view of enhancing a fire risk assessment.
By having these types of links that some detector from the schedule, the system knows where it was. So, that’s actually finding that individual smoke detector in the whole building. And then here we’ve got an example of the pilots that we’ve been doing. What Cliff has been doing, he’s taken a 360 photo within the lobby area. And you can identify where some of those key assets are, including the premises information box there in the reception. But he’s also used this to walk the fire escape route and he came out on the roof. And that’s a bit of a challenge really because it’s not clear where to go. And actually the balustrade there, there is no balustrade there which is unsafe. And then he spotted there that there’s a fire escape door, but effectively it’s not a great example of the escape strategy.
But here we’ve got some of the key assets that have been identified which can then be related back to the drawings that were in the premises information box. So, validating the drawings I think is a really interesting one because8 in the pilots that we’ve been doing we’ve actually discovered that in several of them the drawings that should be there for the fire fighters to work to are actually wrong. So, this is another one down in Poole in Dorset where Sovereign used the 360s. And this is the floor plan that they’ve done. This one here, the 360 picks up the fact that the drawing that’s in the premises information box is wrong. So, there’s obviously an access there into another space, but there is none in that drawing, so the drawings need to be updated to reflect that.
And here that particular drawing is the one that was done by Girda and it was in the box. And really, we’ve discussed this with fire fighters and actually this is quite challenging because there’s three spaces there and yet on the drawing there is only an indication that there’s one. So fife services told me that if, for example, something was breaking out here and there was smoke coming out of that window there, when they’re directing the fire fighters in that could be quite dangerous. So, it’s a way of encouraging people to actually do that type of validation and that’s part of what I’m hoping that we can recruit from people here. This is showing how we can then use those 360 photos to then go and create the asset tags. So, in this case, what we’re doing is just adding the fire doors, well, you can add what you can see.
So, we’re adding the fire doors, the specification for that fire door can be held in the database. We’re also recording the lifts. So, it means that somebody that may not be an expert in, for example, AOVs, can recognise that’s an AOV, but then ask for another specialist to come along and add some more information. So they are identifying that there’s an actuator on there as well. And by doing that it means that it can be added incrementally and kept up-to-date. So, the building safety manager, when they perhaps visit the next time, because they’ve got the 360 camera they can actually take a new 360 photo and add information to indicate what’s changed. And again, it’s a matter of seeing what the…it’s quick and easy to do and you’ve then got a unique ID of that door.
So that if, for example, when they do fire door inspections they’ve actually got a history of that unique asset. And also you can open up that particular area and the person that’s doing the tagging may not be an expert in the electrical side of things, but they can ask for an electrical SME to go through and wrap that up afterwards. So, those are the sorts of things that we think would be quite useful. But we’re learning this really from the actual use of this onsite and obviously that we can then feed that back into a large language model so that we can then get more expert input.
RICHARD FREER Can I just come in with a few questions that are in the chat. Firstly, Joe mentioned that these cameras, you don’t need to buy them, you can rent them. is it right that you and Barry have got a stock that you’re lending out for pilots?
GEORGE STEVENSON Yeah, we’ve got 2 or 3 cameras and certainly if people want to get n the journey. To be frank, you can buy the cameras for less than £150 off of Ebay. So, the cameras themselves, even if you buy them new, they’re only about £300.
BARRY BASSNETT Or you can just use your phone, just to try it out. There’s plenty of 360 apps that you can use, so you don’t have to spend. Most people have a mobile phone that they can use and if anybody needs any help just drop me a line.
RICHARD FREER So the cost is negligible, really.
BARRY BASSNETT The cost is the least thing that you have to think about with this. showed you the cathedral, Ok, that was a bit more expensive. But for most applications you’ll be able to do it with something for a couple of hundred pounds at the most, or even with your mobile phone, if necessary.
RICHARD FREER George, Mark Pile says so this piece of software becomes the fully integrated enterprise asset management system EAM. Is that right?
GEORGE STEVENSON Well, what it’s doing is contributing to that. I think the point is what we need to recognise is that there’s going to be a range of different applications which are designed for doing different parts of the process. And it’s really an ecosystem of applications. And I’m not trying to dodge the question, it’s just that nobody has got a solution that does everything because people want to do different things with it. Just like on your phone, for example, you’ve got a range of different applications that are designed to do different things, but they can talk to each other.
RICHARD FREER The next one is from Brian McKenna who says do you keep the fill lineage history of asset changes, replacement etc?
GEORGE STEVENSON Yes, we do. For example, we do this in hospitals where the tracking of any changes and variations is actually recorded. But it depends on the workflow, to be honest with you, it depends on the way in which that information needs to be recorded. On PFI hospitals theres’s a whole process that has to be followed, but the platform does allow you to track that. But again, some of that information will be being recorded in different applications. For example a maintenance application, somebody will be recording when they’ve carried out the maintenance activity, possibly on a mobile app. And if they’ve swapped out a particular product that change will be recorded. Does that make sense, Brian?
BRIAN McKENNA Yeah, that’s absolutely fine. Obviously the recording of it is slightly separate, but as long as you keep the lineage, like a simple swap out scenario like you just described, it could be a smoke detector or anything, you’ve kept the historical change. If you swapped it out three times over the course of three years, you will have a record of what the original one was, the second and third etc.
GEORGE STEVENSON Correct, and you’ve raised a very, very interesting and worthwhile point. One of the things that we’ve discovered going through this over the last couple of years is that the majority of asset management applications, and even processes, what they’re actually doing is not recording the information about the asset, but they’re recording information about the labour that has been carried out to that asset. Because that’s what people get paid for. The problem with that is that if you’ve then got something like fire stopping or a fire door, over a period of 20 years you’ll have lots of different people who will be carrying out work to that same item.
And each of them is probably recording that, maybe on an image of a floor plan with a pin on it, to say this is the work that I’ve done using this application to do that. But what they’re not doing is recording it in a holistic way. So, if we come back to what I was showing you earlier with all of the compartmentation, for example, you really want inspections to be done against the unique asset that is there for the 20, 30 or 40 years.
BARRY BASSNETT Can I just make a point there. We found it really interesting that an awful lot of this asset information is quite often linked to a maintenance management software like Maximo. But one of the things there is that the only items that are listed are things that are on the maintenance schedule. And lots of assets that aren’t maintained are on that. So, sometimes you can have a system where it’s maintained, but this sort of holistic approach that George is talking about means you can actually segregate things into maintenance items or assets. Sometimes it’s just that the assets aren’t listed in terms, if they’re using something like Maximo as their tool for asset management, an awful lot of the assets just aren’t included.
GEORGE STEVENSON Because they don’t want to put things in there that they’re then going to be tracked against. What we do, Brian, and it’s a good example that Barry’s just given, a lot of the maintenance contractors that we deal with use Maximo for their work orders. They’re not using it for lifecycle replacement, they use a different software application for that. And even for repairs they won’t be using Maximo for that because it’s just not designed for doing that type of thing. It could be used for that, but I think almost nobody does.
So, what we’re doing is we’re holding the information as a unique asset which can then be consumed by lots of different software applications. The critical thing is knowing that you’ve got that particular asset, that particular fan core unit or that particular fire damper, and that was the one that was maintained by a range of different processes and people using different software applications. And then by tying those things together it means that you’ve got that sort of integrity.
BRIAN McKENNA Exactly, so you share the same gold and single view of that asset across multiple applications. And it’s an ecosystem of multiple applications coming together to provide you with the complete solution. But I see yours as the master data management, it’s the golden record trusted view of that asset and you can share it, basically.
GEORGE STEVENSON Certainly, but as I say it’s an ecosystem, so depending on what people are trying to do it may be that another application will be considered master because it’s monitoring controls, for example, it’s managing BMS. But as long as we’ve got a common ID, a common reference against something, you’ve then got that integrity. It’s often called the single version of the truth. The critical thing there is that doesn’t mean it’s all got to be in one software application, quite the opposite. If people try and put it in all one software application you’ll disenfranchise lots of other people that have got a lot of knowledge and a lot of experience. So, that’s the approach that we’re taking. Is anybody interested in participating in the pilot? If you wouldn’t mind putting your name in the chat we can talk about how we can, it may be loaning you a camera or certainly talk to you about how we can support you in doing this. Paul Womack, could you just give a quick, Paul is a former fire fighter. This isn’t all about fire, by the way, it’s a darn good thing to look at under the current regulatory environment. What’s your experience, Paul?
PAUL WOMACK As far as I’m concerned, for what i’m using it for it’s a game changer. Whatever I’ve been doing on buildings and taking photographs and doing reports, I was always on the way home, did I take a photo of that? Did I actually see this? And you have that confidence with the 360 camera, it’s there. A classic one we went to yesterday, we were saying let’s take the photo and we looked and studied it and we actually saw the sigh said this gate must be locked, and obviously the gate wasn’t locked. So, it does pick up these things. It’s a lot, lot quicker than taking multiple photographs and if you want to use it for door assets and doing your NTC checks for your fire doors, communal fire door checks, the evidence is there. Is this working or not? Yes, here’s the evidence in 360. Yeah, it’s a game changer and it saves an awful lot of time.
VICTORIA FINN Just to say also I started using 360 degree walk throughs for the building safety cases, as a building safety manager. So, all of the high-rise blocks now are a digital safety case, if you like. So, the hotspots on the wall that you can actually attach your FRAs to, your plans to.But also using it for residents. So, often residents don’t get to see in some of the rooms or the roof in their blocks and understand how you keep them safe. So, it’s great to do that as well and put the information up there of what you check and your comms, how you keep it safe, how the fire service can access your Gerda box.
So, if you can actually see the plans are in the Gerda box, obviously there’s some information that you won’t show, and you’ve got to be careful of data protection. But I started it off as a building safety case, but now I’m looking to add on the assets as well, especially the maintenance ones on the maintenance schedule. And I also use it for tagging the communal fire doors. So, i’m saying it can also be a safety case rather than just tagging your assets.
GEORGE STEVENSON Would you be willing to come and show us what you’re doing with that? Because that’s exactly where I’m going with this, I think that’s exactly what we should be doing. I think it would make it a lot easier. A safety case, it can be a 80-100 page document of quite intense documentation writing. And something that lifts it from the page, as it were, I think would be very helpful.
VICTORIA FINN Yeah, I’m quite willing to share that. But also another thought was we’ve used it for some of our colleagues who don’t actually get out to see the properties, but they might be taking calls on the phone regarding the properties. It gives them better understanding of what it is that the residents are referring to. Also as well, I use for if I’m getting some quotes from contractors or tender. It's great again for them to be able to see those areas that we’re referring to. But yeah, happy to send you a link to have a look at that as well before hand.
DAMIANA ONIPEDE That was really exciting to hear, Victoria, and it will be really good to see a lot of that work. Here at Camden, we’ve been talking about the Golden Thread and looking at different solutions. And one of the things that’s come into discussion is digital SIB box, that’s digital secure information box. How can we use that asset information and begin to create something like that? Is that something that any of you have done on this forum?
GEORGE STEVENSON I’ve been talking to the fire service about that. There’s 43 fire service authorities and they’ve all got different views and different skill sets. So, I’ve been talking with the National Fire Chiefs Council and also some of the other coordinators, about how can stuff be provided to them in a simple way that enables them to move forward. So, we can certainly contribute to that. Also, the information that’s in the SIB box, the requirements of the SIB box are being reviewed at the moment. And I was concerned that they may be considering dumbing them down, but actually it’s been suggested that’s probably the other way. But the SIB boxes, if you actually look at what the guidance is from the FIA, you’re supposed to be updating the SIB boxes with information. And I don’t know many people that are, maybe you are, but in many cases people have done the SIB box and that’s it.
DAMIANA ONIPEDE Yeah, that’s why we’re looking at the it from a digital perspective because if we have a digital version of that then it’s a lot more easier to update using relevant data sets.
GEORGE STEVENSON OK, could we perhaps pick up on that. The digital handover group that we’ve got, that is determining what information should be being provided and maintained, so we could perhaps incorporate that.
PAUL SHEEDY A lot of what I’m doing here is we’re digitalising the systems inside high-rise buildings, especially we’re focusing on. So, we’ve brought in a new solution which is sensor technology which works from the pump rooms all the way up to the water tanks and the ceiling and everything in between. And you’re digitalising how well the building is working all of the time. And then the core of my main business is the real time occupancy floor by floor of buildings, especially high-rise buildings, and how the building evacuates in real time and where people with mobility issues are on the floor. And actually identifying where the fire fighters are on each floor of the building as they go through it.
So, it’s a big reason why myself and George are working together on this and Barry as well. How we then turn this into a realtime digital twin. All this is for when those rare occurrences are when things go very, very wrong. And as George knows, he’s met with one of my other directors who was a partner at Carter Fitzgerald who lost 658 out of hist staff at the Twin Towers, so we’re really pushing this to the next level. The Twin Towers are not going to happen, but there’s a lot happens that honestly, if half the people knew some of the stuff that I see the hair would be up on the back of your neck.It’s incredible what we see and we really think that we need to digitalise this totally going forward.
GEORGE STEVENSON If you’re interested in participating in the pilot, both for digital asset capture or taking the 360s. But also maybe getting involved in doing tagging to be able to identify, there’s a lot of people on the call who are very experienced who might be interested in getting involved in identifying assets. And also looking at it from a risk management perspective. It's building the intelligence around how this information can be best used.
RICHARD FREER You said if anybody is interested in doing the asset tagging. What do you mean, doing it for who?
GEORGE STEVENSON Either being a person that is knowledgeable about a particular type of service, say fire safety or electrical, or mechanical, or controls. If you are interested in getting involved in doing that, maybe on a paid basis. We’re not acting as an employment bureau, what we’re doing is trying to bring together the people that have got the right expertise to work collaboratively on these types of things. What we’re doing is Barry is providing the means for us to capture the 360 photos. We’re providing the means to then transform those 360 photos into something that is real, it’s interactive and it’s got knowledge behind it.
But then if we can also bring people in who have got the expertise to be able to say well, I’ve looked at that and I know therefore that there’s going to be things that we can identify what that asset is. And also the information that isn’t visible. So, for example, Andy Cumberpatch works for fire consultancy specialists. They specialise in fire risk assessments, but also they are fire engineers. So, they can look at a particular building and they can use this to help identify where the compartment walls are. And they can work with drawings and O&Ms and things like that and then say well, what elements are in there that are performing a particular function.
RICHARD FREER So, it’s not just a voluntary thing for BIMInAm or BIM3Housing, they can actually earn some money, is that what you’re saying?
GEORGE STEVENSON Oh, no, no, absolutely. What I’m really suggesting is that we’ve already had this where, for example, Paul Collyer, he was looking for somebody to help on a fire engineering perspective. And we introduced him to another fire engineering company and they’re now working together. We didn’t have anything to do with that other than we just brought them together. And it’s that sharing of knowledge and that community that we’re really trying to drive. I’ve got a question. Obviously Barry has put a lot of time and effort into this, as have I. Do you think what we’ve done here has been useful?
DAMIANA ONIPEDE Yeah, absolutely, it’s been quite useful from us here at Camden.
RICHARD FREER From the chat, very much so, it’s been very, very complimentary.
GEORGE STEVENSON Excellent, OK. As I say, we’re looking to bring people together, so if you’re interested in getting involved in a pilot in any sort of way then put your name in the chat and we’ll try and suggest a bit of a marriage broker bit. Certainly when Paul Womack and Ed Coster from Origin got together yesterday, they were bouncing off of each other as to how risk could be mitigated. I was only there for about 15 minutes, but I learned a huge amount just by sitting and listening to them. And as they’re going around the buildings the 360 photo is a way of capturing that to broaden that network of people that are experienced in carrying out that type of work.
BARRY BASSNETT Just to add, if anybody wants to know more about 360 please drop me a line. I’m more than happy to share stuff that I know and some friendly, neutral advice on cameras might be useful, rather than listening to the sales reps. If anybody wants to know more about 360s and the practicalities of it and what else you can use it for, please feel free to drop me a line.
GEORGE STEVENSON And on that point, what we really want people to do within this little community is be willing to share their experiences to help others get on that ladder. Because if we can do that then everybody is going to benefit.
RICHARD FREER If you haven’t signed up for our monthly forum on the 9th of April put ‘forum’ in the chat and we’ll get an invite out to you.
CHAT
Pierre Venter (External) 11:16 am
Democratisation means getting the communication clear, by standards, then integration and deliverables are defined and used consistently. This helps with pricing for services.
Mark Pile (Unverified) 11:33 am
Yes through the use of a specific App. 3D Apps and feeds into Mobius as one of these types of Apps
Mark Pile (Unverified) 11:37 am
Most Smart phones today come with 4K and 8K imagery
Andy Cumberpatch (External) 11:41 am
Nope all good
Mark Pile (Unverified) 11:46 am
how is this linked to the Asset Data Base, such as the CDE - compatibility with systems such as GliderBim - MoD used software as their Common Data Environment.
Damiana Onipede (External) 11:47 am
This looks amazing!
Sam Oliver (External) 11:47 am
that’s the key, how can we integrate the imagery with IOT, BMS, Asset register's from a single source
Tom Oulton (External) 11:48 am
how big is the file?
Brian McKenna (External) 11:48 am
hopefully metadata tagging is coming up next
Ruben Romero Vivancos (External) 11:48 am
wow incredible 360 thing
Joe Stott (External) 11:51 am
Do these cams / software remove the tripod and/or operator or if it just a case of setting up the camera on a timer and hiding behind a column / out of the space?
Richard Woodhouse (External) 11:52 am
Walk away/hide
Sam Oliver (External) 11:52 am
Its a where is waldo side quest
Joe Stott (External) 11:53 am
also worth noting that its possible to hire the cameras rather than purchase if your looking to undertake a pilot/proof of concept.
Richard Freer (External) 12:00 pm
I think George and Barry have some they're offering for free to let people pilot it.
Joe Stott (External) 12:01 pm
So great to see all these (up until now) disparate sources of data finally coming together into an easy to use platform.
Mark Pile (Unverified) 12:05 pm
Thanks George, so this piece of Software becomes the fully integrated Enterprise Asset Management System (EAM)?
Simon Collery (External) 12:05 pm
Does that suggest the drawings are 'as designed' rather than 'as built'?
Brian McKenna (External) 12:09 pm
Question: do you keep the full Lineage/history of asset changes/replacement etc... ?
Chris Bicknell (External) 12:11 pm
I’d assume both as initial review and revisit evolve?
George - Bolster data grabs spring to mind? For the segmented rather than holistic picture - how to integrate?
Matt Wilkie (External) 12:16 pm
Lifecycle and ppm are often split for usage. As Lifecycle is normally budget, a lot of CAFM is loaded ONLY for Statutory and mandatory. Scaling back also allows contract manipulation.
Mark Pile (Unverified) 12:17 pm
So its a CDE - Common Data Environment. And Maximo will pull from it and Concept
Joe Stott (External) 12:19 pm
Already started George - 360 of my Kitchen using my phone and a free app.
Chris Bicknell (External) 12:19 pm
Yup - my seemingly lifetime mission is to remove that division based on an asset based profile for both - they are the same things at differing scales and cycle - lifecycle replacement is just as hoc major ‘maintenance’ in that respect! Also need to log efficiency and energy to that holistic view.
Mark Pile (Unverified) 12:22 pm
Agreed Chris, all Service providers split this out to lesson the blow......
Simon Collery (External) 12:26 pm
Paul Sheedy how are the fire authorities responding to the digitization of SIBs?
Paul Sheedy (External) 12:28 pm
Currently they are not, Its why I'm fully funding two major buildings in London, getting the insurance sector fully engaged too and then I hope the fire services
Simon Collery (External) 12:30 pm
They seem to have resisted the expansion of the content of SIBs and digitization in the past, I wonder if they still are, and why this is the case.
Patrick Wilson (External) 12:32 pm
Good illustration of what is possible in a fast changing environment
Andy Cumberpatch (External) 12:32 pm
New to this but certainly wanting to explore this further
Pierre Venter (External) 12:33 pm
Its a good set of building blocks. Bigger solutions contributions from different users. Thanks Barry
Paul Sheedy (External) 12:33 pm
Excellent Session. This all hangs together and is key to the Golden Thread
Paul Womack (External) 12:33 pm
Its great when 2 like minded people can get together and expand their knowledge & experience and put ideas forward.